Suppose you took things slow, let life unfold on its own terms, giving up control and surrendering to the natural flow of things... Would you still get on in life? Would anything ever get done? How could it - if you’re not there, up and on it, actively making it happen. If Ellie and Chris had an operating system, its default setting would be something like this, as life-long responsible doers. Yet they’ve both realised pushing beyond what we’re resourced for never ends well - in overwhelm and burnout. So what’s the alternative? Join your hosts as they discuss life with and without trying so hard all the time.