This episode features Mitch Resnick of the MIT Media Lab, creator of Scratch and author of Lifelong Kindergarten, on why schools must shift from instructionism to constructionism and design learning around the Four Ps: Projects, Passion, Peers, and Play. Mitch explains how creative learning grows through experimentation, iteration, and the creative learning spiral, and why “low floor, high ceiling, wide walls” environments expand access for every learner. The conversation explores the balance of freedom and support, the role of examples in scaling change, and how schools can shift both mindsets and structures to prioritize creativity and agency. The takeaway: when schools cultivate trust and respect and design for making, collaboration, and joyful rigor, young people develop the most human skills needed to thrive in a fast-changing world.