Mark and Paul have a very relaxed discussion from the hip about life and work.

Paul's a Creative, a thinker, an empath, a Dad and the host and creator of The New P&L - Principles & Leadership in Business podcast series.

Paul and Mark meander around the 'C' word, creativity, music, kindness and the future of business after Corona.

As Paul says - 

"We have an amazing world........ evolution shouldn’t be at the expense of empathy".