In this episode, Ces and Lee return after a brief hiatus to explore profound ideas inspired by a quote from Huainanzi, picked up from Robert Greene's 'The 33 Strategies of War”. They discuss the significance of remaining formless and flexible in the face of opposition, likening this strategy to the benefits of fluidity and adaptability in both personal and collective efforts.

The conversation delves into how overcoming fear can be achieved by giving it form, which in turn makes it manageable. They reflect on the importance of humility and openness to learning in order to harness greater strength. The episode wraps up with gratitude for the inspirations driving their liminal writing journey.

00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:23 Trigger Lines and Source

01:19 Reflections on the Quote

02:32 Personal Interpretations

03:51 Strategizing Change

07:12 Overcoming Form and Shape

08:35 Concealing Forms in Nothingness

10:05 Conclusion and Thanks