In this episode, Ces and Lee reflect on what sense-making is about and its impact on their lives. They discuss the struggle of making sense of past experiences, the importance of finding meaning and purpose, and the challenges of overthinking (sometimes).

They also explore the themes of control, vulnerability, routine, creativity, and the foundational aspects of life like breathing and discipline.

Caution: they also lightly touch upon sexual abuse and the struggle of coping and healing from that experience.