Linden Jordan took enough risks to last a life time: coming out as gay to a conservative Southern Baptist family; leaving a lucrative and prestigious job as an attorney to begin a llama trekking company and then took the most life-changing risk of all.

In this episode Debra and Nassim discuss with Linden how family messages run deep; the influence of religion; the impact of music on his life, the incident that sparked his decision to change from a woman to a man, how his decision affected his marriage and what his life is like now.

Linden's musical group Jumbled Pie: http://www.jumbledpie.com/