What does it really take to lead a school well? In this episode, host Joe Otley sits down with Dr. Jake Madden, an educator, researcher, and school leader with decades of experience across multiple systems and countries. From his first principalship in a small rural Australian town to his current role in Tokyo, Jake shares the lessons, mistakes, and moments that shaped his leadership philosophy. They explore why people must always come before structures, the importance of listening before acting, how to lead change without imposing it, and practical advice for anyone stepping into a leadership role for the first time. Whether you’re an experienced leader or just starting out, this conversation offers grounded perspectives on what it means to truly lead.