Well, ya'll, it's time to get into the thick of it. Kisa and Renee sit back down with Pastor Albert Tate, Fellowship Church in Monrovia, California, to talk about all of the things. We talk about trigger words. We talk about social justice terms that cause people, Christians, to pull away from the conversation and why pulling away is not the answer. We chat about church leadership and their role in racial reconciliation. Pastor Tate brings good news and a great work on this episode. Pull up a chair and join us at the family table, ya'll. This conversation is good.