In this episode, Jonathan had the privilege of interviewing John Horsley, Vice President of Adult & Addiction Services at Oaklawn. John recently started a recovery church program at CTA church and helps minister to the community in many incredible ways. One of the ways John helps minister to others is by listening. REALLY Listening. John knows what it means to really listen, to be present and in the moment and he explains why it so difficult for many people in our society. Listening and hearing are two different things and John shares his thoughts on the subject. Take the time to listen (no pun intended) to this powerful episode!