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“Let’s revisit the central maxim of SP: ‘Live and Enjoy.’

“Until you can live and enjoy, learning and remembering is empty, and without learning and remembering there is no complexity enhancement to the spirit – and so forth.

“Live and enjoy. But some say that their lives are in such dire straits that they have nothing to enjoy. Which begs the question: Are you the product of your life or the creator? Tell me about any life circumstance and I can show you many spirits for whom that situation was filled–to some degree–with joy. I am not saying glee, but at least a sense of meaningful understanding which brought a sense of well-being.

“So, it is not life circumstances that dictate if that circumstance is to be enjoyed, but rather the spiritual experience of it.

“You want an analogy? Ok, licorice-flavored ice cream. It is up to you, and not the ice cream, as to whether you will enjoy it. Likewise, caviar… and everything. When I say ‘live and enjoy,’ I mean to live in such a way that one is always looking for the potential bits of joy and focusing on them.

“To truly suffer is to find all paths to joy blocked by one’s approach unlike to life. Life, like all existence, always has some positive element. And each spirit has the choice to recognize it or not. That’s the message.”

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