When one comes up in an alternative community, you find out quickly that there are people you look up to and people that you hope to never ever run across in your experience.

In the kink and leather communities, here were plenty of people who were heroish and had ulterior motives that maybe were not pure. However, if you've heard me talk about kink at all, you've probably heard me talk about Vi Johnson.

Vi was the the first African American person who identified as a consensual slave, who I ever heard the name of and also was privileged to meet. Her partner, Jill Carter is equally amazing, which is why it's my privilege to bring you the second part in a two-part conversation starring both of these incredible women.

We sit down to discuss what the scene used to be like—the improvements, and how things have changed. You won't want to miss this one!

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