Ecological economics is about respecting ecological boundaries in human activities. Many argue that this simply cannot be done as humans always strive for more. However, with a different perspective on what living well means, energy and resource use could decrease to fit into Earth’s carrying capacity. That requires a change in mentality as well as a deeper understanding of justice. This episode’s guest is Julia Steinberger, and we talk about what it would mean for humankind to live well while respecting the nature's limited resources.