On Episode 8 of History Against the Grain, Chris and Josh explore what’s live and what’s lazy in today’s New York Times. The latter we consider in another segment of Beefin' with Meacham™ and for the live and living history we discuss Nikole Hannah-Jones and her amazing 1619 Project. Chris interviews two public school educators, Elise Robison and Kyle Fitzpatrick, from Cupertino High School about how they use the 1619 Project in the classroom and why exploring the darker legacies and tougher stories of American History is so vital and necessary. We dedicate Episode 8: Living With History to the life and memory of Ahmaud Arbery.