In this episode of the Loan Stars Podcast, Celeste Deal-Maunoir, Chief Sales Officer at ARF Financial, discusses strategies for thriving during financial hardship with Joe Camberato, CEO and founder of National Business Capital. They explore the current economic climate, the impact of high-interest rates on small businesses, regulatory changes affecting the finance industry, and the role of AI in lending. Joe emphasizes the importance of focusing on growth opportunities during challenging times and advises loan brokers to establish trust with clients by acting as advisors rather than salespeople. He also highlights the potential of non-bank lending and the need for businesses to adapt and leverage new opportunities for growth.