Lola Manekin, my wife, my oracle, and one of the most powerful healers I know, joins me to share her experience of a multi-day dark room retreat—a modern vision quest spent in complete darkness. In this conversation, we explore what happens when all distraction, identity, and productivity are stripped away, forcing a direct encounter with worth, fear, and the body's deeper wisdom. Lola reflects on choosing nourishment over endurance, softness over strength, and presence over performance, and how the real transformation unfolded not in instant revelation, but through surrender, integration, and learning to come home to herself.