In this episode, Canon Phil talks with Bishop Thad Barnum and the Rev. Geoff Chapman on an upcoming conference that illustrates the work of soul care currently going on in the AAC's clergy care groups. They delve into the four directions of spiritual growth and how they're implemented in personal discipleship, especially as it pertains to our leaders and pastors. They also talk about how both clergy and laity can get involved in this process of spiritual growth.