Being laid off from a job you love can be a tough. It especially hurts when it’s in the career field you’ve always wanted and dreamed about succeeding. It’s even worse when it happens twice.

In this episode, host Greg Martin talks with Dyonne Fashina about what she did after losing two corporate jobs in the interior design industry. She now owns and runs her own design firm called Denizens of Design, and in many ways the drive, inspiration and concept was driven out of losing her job.

In this episode, the two talk about what its like to work for a big firm versus your own firm in the design industry, they share stories about being laid off (Greg was laid off too in 2010) and the benefits and challenges of a job done on your own terms, your own way.