Nat has been thinking about loss now that her son is against kisses. It spurs her to write a piece that she shares, called "Loss and Found."

The sisters muse about some of their great losses and some of the benefits of experiencing pain—it leads us to empathy. 

They manage to get their mom to contribute to the podcast, not in a conversation, but in her own written piece about loss. "Mom" writes about her favourite books that share a commonality in navigating great loss. 

They both shed their first podcast tears. 

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