Licensed professional counselors Johanna Dwinells and Sarah Bryski-Hamrick are slowly demystifying and destigmatizing therapy, one episode at a time. Recording and living in the Philadelphia area, Johanna and Sarah work to make therapy feel more accessible, with quirky, sometimes intrusive questions that reveal the human side of healthcare professionals, all while they overcome their own anxieties and internalized stigmas. 

CW: None

Episode summary: Johanna found a cool rock. Sarah begins cross-stitching. They both discuss the concept of Human Design. Guest, Shavon Swain joins them to talk about Star Trek, using Human Design in therapy and much more!

Guest Bio: Shavon is a nature lover, music lover, low-key comedian, bookworm, Star Trek aficionado, stargazer, mother, business owner, therapist, human design practitioner & coach.

Resources: Abortion Resources; Jovian Archive; Shavon’s Website

Johanna’s Human Design Chart

Sarah’s Human Design Chart

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Where can you find Sarah and Johanna:

Sarah: website; blog; etsy shop; instagram

Articles Featuring Sarah: How to Avoid Productivity Guilt

Podcasts Featuring Sarah: Empowered Connections: Internalized Capitalism From the Outside In

Johanna: website; instagram