In this episode of Nice One Cyril, Simon, Julie and Dave pick through a thoroughly deflating defeat at Nottingham Forest — just when Spurs looked like they might be improving. We ask what went wrong, whether Vicario’s form (and alleged Inter interest) is becoming a problem, and why there’s still no clear tactical identity on the pitch.

There’s frustration at Simons being bullied, Kudus trying too much on his own, and substitutions that raised more eyebrows than hope. We also discuss Porro’s comments on Archie Gray, Thomas Frank’s “no quick fix” message, and whether patience is still a viable strategy.

Plus: Sugar flirting with Klopp, Gooners predictably irritating new chant, Liverpool looming at the weekend, and the familiar feeling that Spurs have pulled the rug just as we’d started to stand up.

Bleak, honest, and faintly amused — because what else can you be?