What makes a skill count, and how does it travel from a classroom or a kitchen table into a job? Ryan Lufkin puts that question to Glenda Quintini, who runs the OECD's Skills and Future Readiness Division in Paris, with Simone Ravaioli sitting in for Melissa. Glenda's answer starts with a confession: a few months ago she couldn't tell critical minerals from rare earths, taught herself by reading and talking to people, and never enrolled in anything. That's how most adults actually learn, and almost none of it shows up on a resume.

The conversation works through what it takes to fix that. Degrees aren't dead, Glenda argues, they're bundles of skills nobody has unpacked. The harder problem is language: employers and educators describe the same skills in completely different words, a gap she says blocks worker mobility as much as visa rules do. From there the three of them get into micro-credentials, individual learning accounts, the data behind dropped degree requirements, and why governments have to move faster than a two-year accreditation cycle.

In this episode:

• Why eliminating degree requirements barely moves non-degree hiring on its own 
• The difference between regulating credentials like New Zealand and letting the market sort it out
• Why the next 15 years will be about lifelong recognition, not just lifelong learning

For further reading: 

• A Skills-First Labour Market