Today Ewout Dhoore talks with Lotte van den Berg and Wouter Hillaert about the failure of the left, taking away the notion of failure and being both the racist and the anti racist. Wouter Hillaert is a freelance culture journalist. He initiated Hart boven Hard and is one of the central figures at rekto:verso. Lotte van den Berg is a Dutch theatre director and one of the driving forces behind building conversation.