For Spear Talk 85, we welcomed back two our most explosive guests, Lou Valoze (second appearance) and Jay Dobyns (second appearance) to talk to us further about their careers as undercover agents with the ATF. Lou's first book "Storefront: An ATF Agent's Life Undercover" is now out! Jay has two previous books ('Catching Hell" and 'No Angel" ) that are great reads as well!

In our dsicussion we talk about the toll of being undercover has on mental health, the process of writing books about their undecover work, how agency's like the ATF recruit people to their programs, how teamwork is essential to accomplish a mission, Lou and Jay's friendship, and so much more!

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