Louis Chatriot is the CEO of Alma, a French Buy Now Pay Later company. When I met Louis at a conference it was impressive how he looked at governance in his company. He had spent more time thinking about his board and how to make it effective than many other CEOs. And he seemed to be a very grown-up CEO, looking at his role without ego and with a lot of clarity.

In this episode, we dive deeper into the relationship between CEO and board, why he thinks you should be smart and lazy, and why he hired not one, but two independent board members.