In this episode, Lisa and Kari sit down with Joanna Shakti to talk about love, intimacy, and what it really takes to feel connected — to ourselves and to each other — in lives that are often overloaded with work, caregiving, and distraction. The conversation doesn't land on easy answers. Instead, it opens up a more honest question: what are we actually missing when we talk about loneliness, and what does real closeness require?

This conversation touches something a lot of women are already carrying — a quiet desire for more presence and honesty, even while holding everything else. It's worth sitting with, without turning it into one more thing to measure yourself against, especially in seasons where just getting through the day already takes everything you've got.

If this is speaking to something you want to explore further — and you'd rather do it alongside other women asking the same questions — join Lisa and Kari for the Best Chapter Yet women's retreat in Portland, September 18–20. You can learn more and register here: Best Chapter Yet Fall Retreat 2026