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What actually drives growth in e-commerce today?

In this episode, Ryan Martin sits down with Patrick Gregson, former Head of Brand at The Iconic, to unpack the strategies that helped scale one of Australia’s most iconic retail brands.

Patrick shares hard-won lessons from The Iconic’s journey from scrappy startup to enterprise giant.

You’ll hear why customer loyalty goes far beyond points programs, how to balance brand and performance marketing, and why experience is the real battleground for retention.

Whether you’re launching a DTC brand or trying to scale an established store, this episode is packed with sharp insights on growth loops, attribution, and the ever-changing digital landscape.

Key topics:

• What loyalty actually means in 2025

• How The Iconic built its customer flywheel

• Attention as the new currency in digital marketing

• Why consistent engagement beats short-term hacks

• The tools modern e-com startups can now leverage

A must-listen for founders, marketers, and operators serious about sustainable e-commerce growth.