John Di Stasio is president of the Large Public Power Council (LPPC). He represents the larger municipal electric utilities in advising lawmakers and government officials in Washington, DC, on how laws and regulations can best support the goals his members share with the general public, namely foregoing command and control regulatory models in favor of allowing the ingenuity of the utilities to flourish in creating desired outcomes. His 35-year career in the electric industry includes having been CEO of the Sacramento Municipal Utility District, or SMUD, for multiple years the utility was implementing smart grid. We talked about that and lots of relevant topics including how his group thinks the discussions in Congress about infrastructure upgrades need to include the electric industry.