In this conversation, Clayton and Iris discuss the Wisdom Project, a program that helps individuals address challenging issues in their lives and transform themselves. Iris shares her background as an engineer turned psychologist and mindfulness teacher, and how she combines these disciplines in her work with organizations. They explore the concept of transjecting, reframing problems, and the three levels of learning. They also discuss the importance of presence, courage, kindness, and compassion in the journey towards wisdom. Clayton reflects on the impact of the Wisdom Project in his own life and the newfound capability it brings. They touch on the sense of sacredness and the community of selves that emerges through the process. Finally, they discuss the apophatic walking stick and the importance of knowing what not to do in the pursuit of wisdom. The conversation explores the concept of living life in harmony and the challenges of navigating wicked problems. It emphasizes the importance of cultivating wisdom and integrating it into everyday life. The guest, Dr. Iris Stammberger, discusses the need to democratize wisdom and make it accessible to everyone. She also touches on the role of technology, including AI, and the need to develop the technology of wisening. The conversation concludes with information on how to find the Wisdom Project training program.

Dr. Iris Stammberger is trained as systems engineer, a family systems therapist, a mindfulness teacher, and an organizational change consultant. A self-described "tool lady," she has always been in pursuit of those tools that facilitate systemic and systematic change at the intrapersonal, interpersonal, and extrapersonal level. She is the founder of the Wisdom Project, which integrates what she has learned and offers it to those who are seriously committed to changing the ways we address the complex challenges of today's world.

About The Wisdom Project: https://www.irisstammberger.com/

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