Here is a 1-minute clip of my interview with Dave Grossman.

He is the country’s expert trainer of military and law enforcement who helps those who have to kill overcome the natural resistance to killing.

In this short clip he starts on the difference between sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs.

Our full interview will air July 10, 2017.  If you subscribe to my podcast, this episode and others will automatically download on your device.  You can easily do so by clicking the appropriate box in the upper right section of this page (looks like this):