in this episode, i have my first guest. we explore interviewing each other a little bit, bounce around some ideas, we talked about cartoons, trauma, my childhood trauma camp, then we get to the heart of the matter about a potion. it's a very exciting episode and we had a really great time after the episode too.

Carlos Nakai - Native America flute music

Editor Note: the audio tracks were recorded with two different microphones independently of one another. the newer microphone recorded its audio track a tiny fraction of a second shorter than the older microphone, so when the tracks are overlaid, an echo develops over time during the episode. i did my best to speed up and synchronize the tracks as best I could. newer episodes will be recorded in real time on a server to avoid this mess in the future.