On today’s Complicated Conversation, we welcome internationally bestselling author  Lucy Clarke to discuss The Hike, her propulsive new thriller about four women who go on a hiking trip into the Norwegian wilderness — but not all of them will return.

We chat with Lucy about her development of the complex women at the heart of this story, their individual struggles and their very real and sometimes messy friendship. We also loved hearing about how Lucy has managed to bring together her two passions — writing and travel — in her bestselling destination thrillers and what her explorations have taught her about herself. Lucy has been dubbed an adaptation sensation so of course we discussed what it’s like for her to see her stories have a second life on the screen. 

The Hike is out now in the US! But it, read it, share it, and listen to our spoiler-free chat with Lucy wherever you get your podcasts! 
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Lucy Clarke & 'The Hike': Complicated Conversations Series

In Pop Fiction Women we deep-dive into the complicated women of books, movies and TV shows, along with the women that bring them to life behind the scenes. Think Fleabag and Phoebe Waller Bridge, Normal People and Sally Rooney, and so much more. In each episode you can expect us to: * Break down the protagonist as we ask what makes her complicated? * Identify the best scenes, which can mean sweetest, funniest, or most badass. Anything we love. * Recount the cringiest scenes. The ones that make you squirm. Sometimes it’s self-sabotage, sometimes it’s growth, but it’s always part of the process of becoming our complicated selves. * Play arm-chair therapist in What’s Your Damage, Heather? An homage to the iconic line in Winona Ryder’s Heathers, we discuss how these characters got to be the way they are. * “What She Said” - the segment where we scour every essay and interview with the women behind the scenes and share some of our favorite first person quotes. Real life is as interesting as fiction here. * Look into our crystal ball and ponder where these characters are six months later and five years later. Typically, Kate gets very real and Carinn gets buck wild. * Provide a takeaway, aka that part in the podcast where we try to sound deep. We leave you with some parting wisdom, challenge each other with thought-provoking questions inspired by the work, and urge you to “stay complicated.”

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On today’s episode we’re chatting about The Idea Of You, Amazon Prime’s hit romcom directed by Michael Showalter from a screenplay he co-wrote with Jennifer Westfeldt, based on the novel of the same name by Robinne Lee. Starring Anne Hathaway and Nicholas Galitzine, it chronicles the love affair between a single mother and the lead singer of a popular boy band. Based on the number of viewers in its first two weeks on Prime Video it has become Amazon MGM’s No. 1 romantic-comedy debut of all time! So the hype is certainly there, but we have some real questions, especially as readers of the book…a book that explored ageism, sexism and female agency. As always, we have a lot of feelings on this adaptation!
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The Idea of You: Amazon Prime adaptation

On this episode of Debut Discussions, we’re chatting with Jessie Rosen about her debut novel, The Heirloom, a story about a woman who lives by the rule that you should never ever accept a marriage proposal that comes with an heirloom ring. When her boyfriend proposes with one she sets out on a globe-trotting mission to ensure the ring contains forever energy.
Jessie shares her the personal inspiration behind the main character Shay's superstition about vintage engagement rings; the significance of the locations featured in the book, including Italy, Portugal, Boston, New York, and LA; and why she wanted to explore the themes of grief, personal growth, superstition, and the limitations of control. The conversation also includes a sneak peak of Jessie’s next novel, which deals with astrology and we obviously cannot wait for that one!

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Jessie Rosen & 'The Heirloom': Debut Discussions

On this episode of Debut Discussions we're chatting with Charlee Dyroff about her debut, Loneliness & Company, a story set in a near future New York that follows a quirky young woman who gets involved in a secret government project to build an AI to befriend lonely people.
Charlee shares her journey from being an avid reader to pursuing writing as a passion and then writing a novel “on the side”, which ultimately became her debut! We discuss her protagonist Lee and her need for external validation, the blurred lines between human connection and technology, how taking risks and embracing failure can lead to greater success, and the process she went through to find the agent and editor of her dreams. 
Listen now to Charlee’s story wherever you get your podcasts. Loneliness & Company is out now -- buy it, read it, and share it (in other words, make a debut author’s dreams come true!).
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Charlee Dyroff & 'Loneliness & Company': Debut Discussions

On this episode of Complicated Conversations, we welcome New York Times bestselling author, Emiko Jean, to discuss her debut adult thriller, The Return of Ellie Black. The novel follows Chelsey Calhoun, a Japanese American police detective, as she investigates the mysterious reappearance of Ellie Black, a missing teenager.
We chat with Emiko about the ways this novel delves into the experiences of women in a world with violent men, the complexities of mother-daughter relationships, the impact of trauma on individuals and families, and the societal expectations placed on girls and women. She also shares insights into her writing process, why she moves between genres, and how her astrological sign clearly suits her!

The Return of Ellie Black is out now! Buy it, read it, share it, and listen to our spoiler free chat wherever you get your podcasts!

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Emiko Jean & 'The Return of Ellie Black': Complicated Conversations Series

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Lucy Clarke & 'The Hike': Complicated Conversations Series

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