Mary’s song declares that God has looked with favor on the lowly and will confound the mighty. As the one chosen to carry the Messiah in her womb, Mary experiences this reversal, which convinces her that God will upend social systems too. Jonathan and Seth discuss -in person- the tendency to emphasize either her personal or communal statements. She is viewed either as a mother or a social revolutionary, but rarely both. They seek to hold her whole identity together.