Luke Drago is the co-author of The Intelligence Curse and previously researched AI governance and economics at BlueDot Impact, served on the leadership team at Encode, and studied history and politics at Oxford.

0:00 - Intro

0:54 - Overview of the intelligence curse

2:10 - Why are the doomers wrong?

4:37 - Why are the optimists wrong?

7:00 - Do people really have power now?

13:33 - Why would powerful people’s values change?

18:31 - Why do we take care of dependents?

21:43 - Why should we want democracy in an AI future?

24:23 - Why fear rentier states?

32:45 - What powerful people should do right now

39:33 - Diffusion time and bottlenecks

44:20 - Why should we care if China achieves AGI first?

46:25 - The jagged frontier

49:16 - Why AGI society could be static

51:10 - Restricting AI rights

56:34 - What should we be excited for?

59:28 - Music

1:30:41 - Building God

1:32:46 - More music

The Intelligence Curse: https://intelligence-curse.ai/

Luke’s Twitter: https://x.com/luke_drago_

Luke’s Substack: https://lukedrago.substack.com/

Luke’s top 10 albums:

- A Fever You Can't Sweat Out by Panic! at the Disco (2005)

- Channel Orange by Frank Ocean (2012)

- Random Access Memories by Daft Punk (2013)

- Yeezus by Kanye West (2013)

- DAMN. by Kendrick Lamar (2017)

- DAYTONA by Pusha T (2018)

- IGOR by Tyler, the Creator (2019)

- I Didn't Mean to Haunt You by Quadeca (2022)

- College Park by Logic (2023)

- Atavista by Childish Gambino (2024)

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