Luke McCormack is the National President of the National Civic Council (NCC), a grassroots organisation guided in its actions by five principles: upholding the belief that the family, not the individual, is the fundamental unit of society; making decisions in the national interest; privileging economic and political decentralisation; protection human dignity; and recognising the importance of Christianity to the continuation of our civilization. He joins Mark to discuss what's needed for a fairer income tax system and more equitable childcare arrangements, as well as demographic decline and the need for affordable housing.