Honest - defined as "free of deceit and untruthfulness; sincere, genuine, real." Or you can listen to Stephen Kellogg talk (or sing) and understand what it means to be honest too. You read that right, Stephen Kellogg joins us to discuss what goes into writing lyrics and we learn much more.

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Music credits:

Thank you to Stephen Kellogg for allowing us to use his music in this episode. You can check him out on his website, Spotify, or Apple Music. The following songs were played in this episode:

• To the Ones Who Need it Most

• It Goes Fast

• Satisfied Man

• 4th of July

• My Favorite Place

• Almost Woke You Up (live version with the Counting Crows)

• The Wild Heart

Next Steps is by half.cool and was sourced from the YouTube music library