Ben is joined by Nav Pandian to discuss all things Mac Miller and his 2018 album Swimming. They discuss the depth of Mac Miller's discography, talk 2020 XXL Freshman List, the role of growth in artistic development, why they got into hip hop in the first place, and much more!Be sure to subscribe and give an honest rating!Key Links:Mac Miller's Tiny Desk ConcertJohn Mayer Cover of Small WorldsFollow the Podcast on TwitterFollow the Podcast on InstagramSubscribe on YouTube for video essay deep dives