In this episode of Unpolitics, host Ben Kaplan sits down with Macon Philips, the founder of Starling Strategy and former Deputy Director of New Media for President Obama's campaign. They explore Macon's journey from Howard Dean's campaign to his influential role in the Obama administration's digital strategy. The conversation covers the evolution of digital media in political campaigns, the challenges of moving from campaigning to governance, and the innovative strategies Macon implemented at the White House and the State Department. Tune in to gain insights into the importance of adapting to new technologies and engaging with communities both online and offline.