In this episode I speak with Joel M, Magician and social media influencer, at the time of release he has 5 million TikTok followers.

We talk about his creative process, how much work is involved in handling a massive following, the TV work this has led to and what he would like to see in his future.

We also touch on his morning routine that sets him up for the day and how he keeps himself grounded through all the social media chaos.