Nick and Sean welcome Estero (FL) Fire Rescue Division Chief of Operations and Training, Grant Schwalbe to the show to talk grabs. This fast-paced, action-packed episode takes a look at search and rescue best practices for both searching and removing fire victims. We also discuss some of the excellent programs Grant is part of including When Things Go Bad and the "Grabs" podcast and their impact on the fire service. Finally, we discuss the importance of balance and paying it forward in the fire service, with an emphasis on mentoring and sharing information and opportunities.