Sean and Nick welcome special guest, Ryan McCormick to the show to talk about what it takes to build a winning team in the fire service. Ryan is Fire Chief of Alexander (AR) Fire-Rescue and the Collegeville Volunteer Fire Department. He's founder of the First In Fire Conference and brings 25 years of both career and volunteer experience to the show. This episode takes a deep dive into why there seems to be such a disconnect nowadays between chiefs and line personnel, the importance of mindset and training, navigating the waters of leadership vs management, balancing risk management with the inherently dangerous nature of the job, and how to build winning fire department teams. Grab a beverage and enjoy!