This episode was recorded on EARTH DAY as cohost teZa and Carter Lord camp in the WILD of Southeast Arizona. Due to no internet connection, the next two conversations on ZLORD podcast are being presented simultaneously as ... internet is only now possible. We record using only an simple iPhone, and then, to present our various episodes, not only an internet connection but a desktop computer is necessary. We work with what we have, folks! Enjoy our offerings. And please do contact us with any comments/suggestions at [email protected]