Host Rachel Zucker speaks with Makenna Goodman about her new novel, The Shame (Milkweed, 2020). Makenna speaks about living close to the land and still being ensnared in the world of capital; the slippage between autofiction, fiction, memoir and nonfiction; how she loves artists who play with the real; and what it might mean to write without assuming dominance over reality,  Rachel and Makenna discuss their mothers, motherhood as a metaphor or lens, the impossibility of living an ethical life and opting out of being an oppressor within capitalism, the shame of realizing progressive utopianism might be just another form of “private contentment,” Psyche and Eros, the social construction of vigor, the stories we tell about about ourselves, Agnes Varda and her idea that happiness is joy and pain side by side, why Makenna loves reading short novels by women translated into English from other languages and so much more.

Episode 90: Makenna Goodman

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Rachel speaks with poet, memoirist and literary agent Hafizah Geter about her recently published memoir The Black Period: On Personhood, Race and Origin. They speak one-on-one over zoom and then, a few weeks later, at the live-virtual Reading with Rachel salon. They speak about being poets writing prose, about writing to think and talking to think, MFA programs, writing classes, beauty, erasure, revision, being a craft junkie, TV, resisting “the privilege to obscure,” finding the question your book is trying to answer, writing yourself out of the shame you were given, rethinking reading and writing as solitary experiences, getting over the embarrassment of not knowing, and writing all over the walls.

Episode 124: Reading Hafizah Augustus Geter’s The Black Period

Rachel speaks with poet and erasure artist Mary Ruefle about menopause, thresholds, death, reading, museums, schools, podcasting, trees, wind, created violence, real violence, haiku, love, the erotics of reading, Yom Kippur, erasure, how to walk around the world two babysteps at a time, and more.

Episode 123: Mary Ruefle

Rachel speaks with poet and Commonplace producer Christine Larusso and then, a few weeks later, with Nicole Sealey at the live-virtual “Reading with Rachel” salon about Sealey’s recently published book-length erasure, The Ferguson Report: poems.  Sealey describes why, how and when she erased this document and how the erasure and lifted poems became a book.

Episode 122: Reading Nicole Sealey’s The Ferguson Report: an erasure

In this two-part episode, Rachel Zucker speaks with Ronaldo V. Wilson and Fred Moten about poetry as performance, influences and teachers, open field poetics, finding space for listeners and audience to feel welcome, how to define the limits—or lack thereof— of a book and, specifically, the performance they gave the night before at the Poetry Project at St Mark’s Church on May 24, 2023. Part one (ep 120) is a conversation about the performance. Part two (ep 121) is a recording of that performance.

Episode 121: Fred Moten and Ronaldo V. Wilson (part 2)

In this two-part episode, Rachel Zucker speaks with Ronaldo V. Wilson and Fred Moten about poetry as performance, influences and teachers, open field poetics, finding space for listeners and audience to feel welcome, how to define the limits—or lack thereof— of a book and, specifically, the performance they gave the night before at the Poetry Project at St Mark’s Church on May 24, 2023. Part one (ep 120) is a conversation about the performance. Part two (ep 121) is a recording of that performance.

This reading took place at the Poetry Project at St Mark’s Church in New York City on May 24, 2023 and was recorded by the Poetry Project. (Audience audio was recorded on the same night and in the same location by Rachel Zucker.)

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Episode 90: Makenna Goodman

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