How could a chat with our friend Red Smith not be great? It absolutely was and we look forward to chatting with him again in the future. Please excuse the slightly lower audio quality than normal. Andy was on vacation and had a sub-optimal internet connection. He even cuts out for a couple of minutes about halfway through but Jamie and Red showed their professionalism by just carrying on.

A long list of most of the people and things we mentioned, with links to where they can be found, is in the description of the YouTube video for this episode: https://youtu.be/Q1zvyD4kyKY

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