Mamamia Out Loud

Taylor Swift promised Life of a Showgirl was 12 bangers, no extras. Then came The Encore. Mia has a theory about why Taylor keeps doubling down and what it might have to do with an Oscar, while Holly asks whether it's sexist to want Taylor to have a little lie down and let us miss her.

Plus, Jessie has been manipulated into bringing Meghan news and she arrives with four juicy tidbits, including the pub that allegedly refused to serve the Duchess (and her controversial order - well, it surprised us). Plus Mia and Holly disagree about a Sussex Pap Walk.

And, Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is back. He's suing the police and the Norfolk gentry are inviting him to kitchen suppers. Holly explains what that means.

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation
• Listen: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
• Listen: The 'Cornell 7' Snapchat Messages & Can We Talk About This Exercise Trend?
• Listen: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation
• Listen: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at [email protected]

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• The Life of a Showgirl leaves no doubt there will never be another Taylor Swift.
• OPINION: 'The Life Of A Show Girl has me questioning everything.'
• The Life of a Showgirl era isn't finished with us just yet.
• HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'Prince' Andrew's arrest is not what you think it is.
• Is Meghan and Harry's return to the UK actually a big deal? An explainer.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Outlouders, we’ve unlocked an exclusive subscriber episode for your long weekend listening pleasure. You're welcome. Enjoy!

When did you realise you were an adult?

Not a specific age - but the moment you're suddenly the one who's supposed to know what to do. There's an essay doing the rounds arguing adults don't actually exist and we're all just winging it, some of us with better posture. So what actually defines an adult? Is it knowing the right thing to do or just being the one willing to do it, even when you'd rather not? And if nobody really has it figured out, what's the risk in admitting that out loud? 

Plus, Holly, Mia and Em on the exact moment each of them realised: oh, it's me. I'm the adult.

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
• Listen: Ed Sheeran’s Disastrous Tour & The Return Of That Celebrity Sex Rumour
• Listen: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
• Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Listen: The Signs You’re More Attractive Than You Think & The Donkey Steps Hack
• Listen: The Story That Changed Our Mind About Commercial Surrogacy
• Listen: The Karl Stefanovic Podcast Gossip & An Unpopular Opinion About The Hyrox Pooper
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• Do you have 'ferritin face' or are you just exhausted?
• 'I've spent 25 years helping women manage stress. Here's what no one can admit about burnout.'
• 'I couldn't figure out why I hated my coworker. Then I learnt about task-masking.'
• How much money do you need to be happy? Here's what the research says.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

CREDITS:

Hosts: Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright and Em Vernem 

Group Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit

Video Producer: Josh Green

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast. 

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Holly Wainwright finds Laurie Anderson’s three rules for life inspiring. Em Vernem finds them embarrassing - so cue a generational war in today’s episode.

Plus, The Guardian has named the five types of people ruining conversations, from the serial monologuer to the trauma dumper. Holly, Jessie and Em have met every one of them, and one is hated more than the rest.

Also, Jessie has found a recruiter who says to never walk into a job interview holding this one diverse item. We debate whether its a fair accessory or a power play.

And, the New York Times ranks the 100 best TV shows of the century and we have all your reccos for the long weekend.

Recommendations

Holly recommends How To Be Hopeful by Caitlin Moran

Jessie recommends Vinted for all your second hand shopping. 

Em recommends the new movie Digger with Tom Cruise.

Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: "A Little Bit Gay" & "I Would Never Have Forgotten My Drugs": The Internet's Hunter Biden Obsession
• Listen: The 'Cornell 7' Snapchat Messages & Can We Talk About This Exercise Trend?
• Listen: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation
• Listen: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
• Listen: What Makes You Rich & Do I Have ‘Ferritin Face’?
• Listen: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• The 5 questions to ask instead of making small talk.
• 'Your coffee order tells me everything I need to know about you.'
• 'I thought I'd aced the job interview. Then I realised I failed a hidden test.'
• 'I'm a TV reviewer. Here are the best shows you may have missed lately.'

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Emily Vernem

Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page

Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit

Video Producer: Matt Perry

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast. 

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Breast milk fountains have hit the runway and for someone who self-identifies as ‘not a fashion girlie’, Jessie Stephens has never been more on trend.

Holly's algorithm has decided it’s time for her to bounce up and down in fitted lycra. We question if it’s ever okay to film during an exercise class and shared some lived experiences that could be used as evidence for why the answer to that question should be ‘no’.

Plus, two years on, the ‘Cornell Seven’ case has been reopened. A civil lawsuit, a reopened investigation and a fraternity group chat have women around the world furious, and Jessie Stephens asks why this story has struck such a nerve. Please note, this segment discusses sexual violence.

Also, one of the smartest women in the world has a problem with the phrase "I really love reading". We speak about whether ‘reading’ is a hobby and if Mary Beard has a point, or if this is snobby and purist, and puts up a barrier to entry for non-avid readers.

If you have experienced sexual assault and are in need of support, please call 1800 RESPECT on 1800 737 732. Help is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You can also contact Bravehearts for counselling and support for survivors of sexual abuse on 1800 272 831, Lifeline for 24-hour crisis support and suicide prevention, or, if you’re the partner of a person who has experienced sexual assault, you can contact PartnerSPEAK on (03) 9018 7872 for peer support for non-offending partners. 
If you are in immediate danger, call 000.

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation
• Listen: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
• Listen: What Makes You Rich & Do I Have ‘Ferritin Face’?
• Listen: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
• Listen: Ed Sheeran’s Disastrous Tour & The Return Of That Celebrity Sex Rumour
• Listen: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
• Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• 'I went to Cornell University. Here are the rules women learn before we're old enough to drink.'
• 'I never thought twice about breastfeeding in public. Then this happened.'
• ‘I'm a serial gym-quitter. This is how I finally started enjoying exercise.’
• A message went out to Cornell fraternity brothers at 1.42am. Look at what happened next.
• What Would A Woman Do To An Unconscious Man If She Thought No-One Would Find Out?

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Jessie Stephens, Emily Vernem & Holly Wainwright on our subscriber-only episode. You can listen to the full conversation here: The Victoria Beckham C-word Investigation

It's Tuesday, which means gossip we probably shouldn't be enjoying this much.
There is a rumour that Taylor Swift invented her own award at the VMAs, then acted surprised when she won it. Wild if true. Em unpacks it for us and details what happens when Taylor and Charli XCX end up at the same show after writing diss tracks about each other.

Plus, Holly details the joke that got comedian Katherine Ryan investigated by the BBC after two very influential viewers complained about what she called Victoria Beckham. Is it ever OK to call another woman the C-word? One of us has an answer involving a pub and a stranger who won't be barging into anyone again.

And Jessie has the story of Orlando Bloom, real-life sisters Rooney and Kate Mara and a very awkward intimacy scene. Is it just acting, or has someone crossed a line?

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: A School Holiday Reckoning & The 'Wifecore' Queen of the VMAs
• Listen: What Makes You Rich & Do I Have ‘Ferritin Face’?
• Listen: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
• Listen: Ed Sheeran’s Disastrous Tour & The Return Of That Celebrity Sex Rumour
• Listen: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
• Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at [email protected]

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• All the evidence that this new Taylor Swift song is hooked on her Charli XCX feud.
• The Life of a Showgirl leaves no doubt there will never be another Taylor Swift.
• Victoria Beckham’s new Netflix documentary is here and it contains one jaw dropping moment.
• Nicole Kidman just gave us a lesson in public failure.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

814 hours. That's how much extra care two full time working parents of primary schoolers need to find every year to cover the gap between school hours, school holidays and the working week. We discuss Georgie Dent’s speech that just about every parent shared last week.

Should you pay a friend back for a cup of coffee? One writer argues nobody should ask a friend to pay them back for anything under $15.

Also, Taylor Swift seems to have entered her ‘wife’ era. She has some new songs out, she’s proudly shouting about who her husband is but we somehow end this segment shouting about joint tax returns.

And, Kylie Minogue took over the AFL Grand Final with a bunch of other iconic Australian musos. As incredible as Kylie was, it was also the moment that Holly realised she had a parenting fail. 

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: What Makes You Rich & Do I Have ‘Ferritin Face’?
• Listen: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
• Listen: Ed Sheeran’s Disastrous Tour & The Return Of That Celebrity Sex Rumour
• Listen: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
• Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Listen: The Signs You’re More Attractive Than You Think & The Donkey Steps Hack
• Listen: The Story That Changed Our Mind About Commercial Surrogacy
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• It's been 6 weeks since Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce got married. We've finally heard from them.
• You know what, I don't think we deserve to see Taylor's dress.
• Kylie Minogue broke up with Michael Hutchence. Then he got down on the floor and cried.
• Georgie Dent just said the quiet thing about being a working mum out loud.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A few weeks ago, Holly recommended an episode of Mamamia’s Gen X podcast, Unleashed, and we’re bringing it to the Outlouders feed.

If you haven’t listened before, Unleashed is a podcast for Gen X women who need a laugh, a chat and sometimes a space for the harder parts of life.

Unleashed co-host Dr Ginni Mansberg recently shared the deeply personal story of her mum’s decision to choose voluntary assisted dying. Ginni wanted to talk about what was happening with her family, but we wanted to give her the space to tell the story not just as a doctor, but most importantly, as a daughter.

This is part one of a three-part series, beginning one month before Ginni’s mum’s death.

Listen to part two and part three here.

Please take care while listening. This episode discusses voluntary assisted dying, death and grief. If this conversation brought up hard feelings and you need some help, please call Lifeline here.

In your ears today is Cath Mahoney, Bruna Papandrea and Ginni Mansberg

Check out our Unleashed music playlist for some feel good throwbacks!

The End Bits:
Follow us on Instagram, DM us thoughts, feelings and questions @unleashed.show
Love the show? Hit follow on Apple or Spotify — it helps other Gen X women find us.

Executive Producer Grace Rouvray
Senior Producer and Audio Editor is Tina Matolov
Social Media Producer is Annaliese Todd

Did you know some of our shows are now in video on the Apple Podcast app? Make sure your phone is up to date and check it out here!

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au and join me today. You hot? Same.

Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways and our home workout app, MOVE.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Are you the most annoying person in the workplace? Keeshia Pettit joins the show for her first ‘main show’ and she’s directing this question specifically at Jessie Stephens after learning that she might be an ‘office pinger’. 

Why does every man alive want to throw a rock into water? We share some of the funniest and strangest things that men like to do and leave asking why they all want to put things on their heads.

Also, is free time the new status symbol? There's a very specific number of 'free time' hours that decides if you're happy or miserable.

And, do you have ‘ferritin face’? Is this just the newest way to tell us we look tired or do we actually need to increase our iron intake?

Recommendations

Holly recommends Youth on HBO max and Manucurist nail polish 

Jessie recommends The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist on Netflix

Keeshia recommends Anko 900ml Pull Chopper, $8

Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

The You Beauty hosts have bundled together their all-time favourite beauty products and two Mamamia subscribers are winning the lot. Subscribe to Mamamia to be automatically entered to win. Current subscriber? You're already in the draw. T&Cs apply.

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?
• Listen: Ed Sheeran’s Disastrous Tour & The Return Of That Celebrity Sex Rumour
• Listen: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
• Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Listen: The Signs You’re More Attractive Than You Think & The Donkey Steps Hack
• Listen: The Story That Changed Our Mind About Commercial Surrogacy
• Listen: The Karl Stefanovic Podcast Gossip & An Unpopular Opinion About The Hyrox Pooper
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• Do you have 'ferritin face' or are you just exhausted?
• 'I've spent 25 years helping women manage stress. Here's what no one can admit about burnout.'
• 'I couldn't figure out why I hated my coworker. Then I learnt about task-masking.'
• How much money do you need to be happy? Here's what the research says.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Keeshia Pettit

Group Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit

Video Producer: Josh Green

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast. 

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Jessie Stephens, Emily Vernem & Keeshia Pettit on our subscriber-only episode. You can listen to the full conversation here: Is It Just Us, Or Does Everyone Sound Exactly The Same?

Would you rather your group chats were leaked, or your ChatGPT history? And how did "Would you like me to develop these ideas for you?" become the most dangerous question of our age?
We're asking whether outsourcing our emails to AI is harmless - or whether it's slowly shrinking the part of our brain we need most. Also, we get into why being human-made is the new status symbol, and one of us officially declares herself a Luddite (and reckons it'll become her superpower).

Plus this episode marks the first time that Jessie and Keeshia have taken their friendship outside the Whatapp chat and into the pod studio. What could go wrong...

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Listen: The Signs You’re More Attractive Than You Think & The Donkey Steps Hack
• Listen: The Story That Changed Our Mind About Commercial Surrogacy
• Listen: The Karl Stefanovic Podcast Gossip & An Unpopular Opinion About The Hyrox Pooper
• Listen: The Emmy’s Love Story We Can’t Stop Thinking About
• Listen: Sydney Sweeney Knows Exactly What She's Doing & The 'Paperclip' Theory
• Listen: Why We All Quit Therapy & When The Internet Says ‘Leave Him’
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Got questions or things you'd like Mia to talk about? Email us at [email protected]

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• The night Princess Diana died, her brother got a phone call from Charles. His account is extraordinary.
• "Those scenes are haunting." The Crown's Emma Corrin on Princess Diana's most traumatic moment.
• 'I watched Meghan Markle for seven hours. Here's what I found.'
• Is Meghan and Harry's return to the UK actually a big deal? An explainer.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

Keen for more? Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ed Sheeran walked onto a stadium stage in Philadelphia with no band, no support acts and a scripted statement. We unpack the fallout between Ed Sheeran, Macklemore and a stadium owner, and discuss whether it’s possible for a celebrity to be apolitical in 2026.
Plus, the NRL grand final has no pre-match entertainment this year, reportedly because Tones and I refused to sing Dance Monkey. There’s irony in the song being called Dance Monkey...
Also, Cue and Veronika Maine have collapsed. Mia wants to know whether it's bad business or whether getting dressed has fundamentally changed.
And there's a brand new 12-part podcast about the Richard Gere gerbil rumour. Why do some celebrity urban legends refuse to die?

Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Meghan’s ‘Hi Moms’ & Harry’s Favourite Uncle Enters The Chat
• Listen: King Charles' Four Damning Words & The Patrick Clancy Mistake
• Listen: The Signs You’re More Attractive Than You Think & The Donkey Steps Hack
• Listen: The Story That Changed Our Mind About Commercial Surrogacy
• Listen: The Karl Stefanovic Podcast Gossip & An Unpopular Opinion About The Hyrox Pooper
• Listen: The Emmy’s Love Story We Can’t Stop Thinking About
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

Check out the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter.

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media 

You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple

What to read: 

• Why everyone's talking about Ed Sheeran.
• Meet the journalist who distributes formula and nappies to families in Gaza.
• Blacklisted from Hollywood and a new dad at 70: Inside Richard Gere's life now.
• Tones and I is now an international star. She was happier when she was busking in Byron Bay.

THE END BITS: 

Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.