This was first broadcast July 20th 2025, on MainFM in Castlemaine, Victoria. 

In this episode of the show, Sarah chatted with Helen (Castlemaine born-and-bred family counsellor, and mum to two tween girls) about the ABBA musical Mamma Mia! Helen and Sarah chat about being their authentic selves, building positive relationships, seeing yourself in your kids and the joy of singing. A few laughs, a few tears and maybe a garbage truck or two, fresh from Sarah’s lounge.

Don't come expecting definitive answers or paths to parenting greatness. This is just two ordinary, imperfect mums getting real and having a chat.

It should put a fire in your soul.

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