Jake and Michael discuss using the concepts within Saloon to manage integrations with third party APIs, how a newcomer to a business can help an existing team modernise their development practices, and using Data Transfer Objects to push data validation to your application boundary.

This episode is sponsored by Workvivo.

Show links

• Trevor on Lizzo's "Grrrls" lyric controversy
• API integrations using Saloon in Laravel
  • Using Saloon to integrate external APIs with Sam Carré
• Where does my validation live?