Join Heidi Schumacher and Ellen Jarosz as they interview Dr. Jacob Lau about his co-authored introductory essay for Out of the Ordinary, titled “In His Own Way, In His Own Time.”  

To see more information about Jacob, visit this episode's website.

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Thanks to Kayla Wilkins for production assistance, and to SmallPox for our theme music!  

 Edited by Ellen Jarosz  

Learn more:  

• CSUN Queer Studies Program
• CSUN University Library
• Circa Queer Histories Festival

More Reading:  

• Michael Dillon/Lobzang Jivaka. Out of the Ordinary: A Life of Gender and Spiritual Transitions. Jacob Lau and Cameron Partridge, Eds. New York: Fordham University Press, 2017. Find it in your local library | Buy a copy
• “One From the Vaults,” in Tourmaline, et al. Trap Door: Trans Cultural Production and the Politics of Visibility. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press, 2017. Find it in your local library | Buy a copy. 
• Cameron Awkward-Rich. The Terrible We: Thinking with Trans Maladjustment. Durnam, NC: Duke University Press, 2022.  Find it in your local library | Buy a copy 
• José Ignacio Cabezón. “Epilogue.” Sexuality in Classical South Asian Buddhism. Sommerville, MA: Wisdom Publications, 2017. Find it in your local library | Buy a copy 

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