Riz speaks with Cathy Hackl, who has been called the "Godmother of the Metaverse" and has a long history of working with VR/AR and brands.  Their lively discussion included the boundaries of the metaverse, some trends emerging in NFTs, and her career journey  to get to become a respected metaverse futurist. Cathy is the Chief Metaverse Officer at Futures Intelligence Group. Follow her on Twitter @CathyHackl.