Mar Grace Quits Trying to be Someone

Hi! Holly here. In this conversation between my friend Mar Grace and myself, we mean to talk about Mar being (their words) a “double black diamond quitter,” but just end up talking about our recovery, very different relationships to relapse, hating each other’s work (at times!) but loving each others’ essence, giving up on leaving a legacy or trying to be significant, divorces that you saw coming and break ups you didn’t want to and which is better, being grateful to those who quit before we are ready to, mental illness and being people who have a hard time living in the world, and writing about mental breakdowns in real time. It’s a JOYFUL conversation about all the things.

The intro ends, and the episode begins, at 00:3:20.

About Mar Grace:

Mar Grace (they/them) is a dancer and writer whose work focuses on the self, devotion, ritual, creativity, and art making. Their practice is rooted in improvisation as a compositional form that takes shape in movement videos, books, quilting, online courses, and hosting artists.  You can find their zines, things they make, artists they host, and more at marleegrace.space/home; you can subscribe to their newsletter and advice column at marleegrace.substack.com/subscribe. 

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