Originally from Wyoming but has lived all over, Karla Hawley, talks about her favorite podcast: Modern Love.  Along the way, we learn that Karla paints nature landscapes from mental pictures, has a grandson that thinks she is “terrible” at basketball, and believes love is something can’t definee but you know it when you feel it. Plus, Mark and Karla play a round of “State of Mind”.

You can find Karla on Instagram @Karlahawleyart

You can find Karla on Twitter @karlajhawley

Learn more about Modern Love at https://www.nytimes.com/column/modern-love-podcast

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